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Srila Prabhupada - Conversation with Allen Ginsberg - May 13, 1969, Columbus


Allen Ginsberg: Do you think of this in terms of a historical event that will occur in the lifetime of your disciples?
Prabhupāda: No. This will happen at least 400,000's of years after. At least. So by that time...
*Allen Ginsberg: They will go down, down, down for 400,000 years?*
Prabhupāda: Yes. So at that time my disciples will be with Kṛṣṇa. (laughter)
Devotees: Haribol!
Prabhupāda: And those who will not follow them, they will see the fun, how they are being killed. (laughter)
Allen Ginsberg: Four hundred thousand years. Will people be still chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa in 400,000...
Prabhupāda: No. Hare Kṛṣṇa will be finished within ten thousand years. There will be no more Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Allen Ginsberg: Ah. So what will be left?
Prabhupāda: Nothing. Left will be "I'll kill you and eat you, and you shall kill me, you shall eat me." That will be left.
Allen Ginsberg: After ten thousand years?
Prabhupāda: Yes. There will be no grain, no milk, no sugar, no fruit. So I have to eat you, and you will have to eat me. Full facility for meat-eating. (laughter) Full facility. Kṛṣṇa is very kind. He'll give facility: "All right. Why cows and calves? You take your own son. Yes. Eat nicely." Just like serpents, snakes, they eat their own offsprings; tigers. So this will happen.
Allen Ginsberg: Kālī eats her own...
Prabhupāda: Yes. And there will be no brain to understand, no preacher, nothing else. Go. Go to..., to the dog. And then Kṛṣṇa will come: "All right, let Me kill you so that you are saved." So...
Allen Ginsberg: But you see it as actually a historical thing of ten thousand years for the chanting, of the diminishing chanting of...
Prabhupāda: Yes. These are...
Allen Ginsberg: Well, then do you think more people will chant Hare Kṛṣṇa or fewer?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. More people. Now it will increase.
Allen Ginsberg: Until?
Prabhupāda: Up to ten thousand years.
Allen Ginsberg: And then?
Prabhupāda: Then diminish.
Allen Ginsberg: So what is the purpose of, right now, a world increase...
Prabhupāda: People will take advantage of this up to ten thousand years. Then they will...
Allen Ginsberg: So this is like the last rope, the last gasp.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Last gasp. Yes. So the sooner we take to shelter, shelter of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, is better.
*-- Srila Prabhupada - Conversation with Allen Ginsberg - May 13, 1969, Columbus*
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